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JuCo 10-31-2008 11:55 PM

New tech feature will limit post edit time
 
We will be implementing a tech feature in the near future, that will lock posts in Critiques and Comments 15 minutes after posting. When you post Critiques and Comments on photos, you will have 15 minutes to change what you've written before the posting is locked. This is to prevent abuse of the system.

This won't affect the amount of time you have to compose your post...take as long as you like!

UnTrained 11-01-2008 12:00 PM

Re: New tech feature will limit post edit time
 
I am an adult person and like to be treated as such. This way of regulations do not raise the worth of TE and the announcement is great with one day before. I leave.

Didi 11-01-2008 12:43 PM

Re: New tech feature will limit post edit time
 
This is to prevent abuse of the system. ????
I don't see any abusing of the system, very strange this new rule
It's not practic, because sometimes I need to correct some errors or if I want to add some explanations.
because I have some difficults with my English.
I prefer sincerlly the ancient way

ScottHale 11-01-2008 01:25 PM

Re: New tech feature will limit post edit time
 
Hi Justine,

That's great news. This will prevent the point traders from mentioning points later or points tomorrow!

The way that it works it, You make the rules, we have to follow them!

Anyone that chooses to leave because of this.....didn't really want to stay anyway. I see one member has removed all of their photos because of this. That's unbelievable! This proves that it doesn't take much for some members to leave and when some leave and blame others, it isn't always a credible excuse, they were just looking for a reason.
I think it's petty of them.....


Scott

fanni 11-01-2008 07:49 PM

Re: New tech feature will limit post edit time
 
I agree with Didi: this feature of editing messages was very useful - first and foremost, because it gives an opportunity to correct a mistake, or if you want to add more to the comment later! sometimes you get new ideas which you want to express and add later... so what do we have now? More pressure? I would like the old system to be back again.
with due regards to the Administration of the site,..!

ScottHale 11-01-2008 08:05 PM

Re: New tech feature will limit post edit time
 
You are given a time limit to fix mistakes...think carefully before you post and after you post it, spend time reviewing it carefully instead of critiquing another.
If you want to add something later, use the discussion option under the discussion threads!
This shouldn't be a big deal as people have made it.
The problem isn't people editing their critiques, it goes beyond that. If you can't sacrifice a little something for the improvement of this site, why are you here?

Davids 11-01-2008 08:49 PM

Re: New tech feature will limit post edit time
 
Justine,

I realized something today that I think is worth mentioning.
When I still had my points on, I would give smilies (points) they way I thought it was good; I was one of the few who used the NR, 0 and 1 pointers as well. IF someone would react to my critique, it was always possible for me to go back and correct the critique AND the points. This happened regularly. If a note was missing, and it would show up, I would increase the points for instance.

This is now become impossible.
Not that it matters much, because almost all critiques have 2 points nowadays, but the possibility to use the system in a normal way is now gone.

just a thought,
regards,
David

ScottHale 11-01-2008 09:02 PM

Re: New tech feature will limit post edit time
 
Excuse me David, I know you were writing to Justine here but I have to ask:

"IF someone would react to my critique, it was always possible for me to go back and correct the critique AND the points."

How come a "Thank you for adding your notes" isn't good enough? If they learned that notes are important, they'll leave them on the next photo. No disrespect but - We aren't seals and the points aren't little fishies!
I do respect those people who use the 0 1 2 NR type critiques, since you abandoned the points, it's surely TE's loss!

Scott

Davids 11-01-2008 09:28 PM

Re: New tech feature will limit post edit time
 
Scott,
In the beginning I didn't correct either critiques or points, but somehow along the line I started doing it, and I liked it better.
What's more important is that the possibility is gone now, others won't be able to use it anymore . . .

I just wondered if IB knew why the possibility was there and that besides abuse the possibility of good use was also available.?

have a nice weekend :)

zmey 11-02-2008 01:04 AM

Re: RIDICULOUS
 
dear admin. so, what exactly do you call "abuse of system"? the fact that i (for example) on one day write 40 critiques, because on that particular day i feel inspiration to write more than the aloted 20 (it's possible i do not come back for more writing for a week or two due to time constraints), and come back the next day just to add points the critiques that i left pointless the previous day? in what sense is this an ABUSE OF SYSTEM?? the total number of pointed critiques per day does not change... i just wrote them all on one day (and, honestly, i do not feel it's anybody's business that i did it that way), whereas the points got distributed over two days.

abuse of system? in my view, this whole schenanigan is just plain ridiculous. as someone noted earlier: there are no rewards (that we know) neither financial nor expressed in any other form for having many points; neither there are any danger to our well being for having few or no points.

k.

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"We will be implementing a tech feature in the near future, that will lock posts in Critiques and Comments 15 minutes after posting. When you post Critiques and Comments on photos, you will have 15 minutes to change what you've written before the posting is locked. This is to prevent abuse of the system.

This won't affect the amount of time you have to compose your post...take as long as you like!"

ScottHale 11-02-2008 01:34 AM

Re: New tech feature will limit post edit time
 
David,
I wouldn't just assume that they do things without taking alot of things into consideration.
If my memory serves me right, there are several moderators, a few owners and some valued member that they could pull thoughts from. There is probably not just one person running this whole ball of wax and with several people, they get alot of feedback and I am sure they think of the negatives and the positives before making a decision like this.
Of course, I cannot speak for them but I know they used a committee when this all started and I have hard time believing they'd abandon that concept!

I think it's great that you are civil and haven't deleted all your photos like some have....sorrier than that, we have people sticking up for them, writing retaliatory critiques to me for disagreeing in the forums. AFTER the fact they deny it...but it's all good.

They have been reported and I can assure you they will be dealt with.

Thanks for your feedback David, you have a great weekend too!!

Scott

macondo 12-27-2008 01:08 AM

Re: New tech feature will limit post edit time
 
I've arrived at this forum rather late, so perhaps no one is reading it any more.

The arguments presented to support the 15 minute rule are illogical. They might be more logical (although still unsatisfactory in terms of the time often needed for reflection) if the rules stated that only 20 critiques may be written in any 24 hour period. However, since the rules allow one to post more than 20, it is patently absurd to limit the capacity to give smileys OR yellow frowns without allowing a member to return to do so the next day. It is also being assumed by the proponents of the new system that it is only 2-point green smileys that are being 'traded', as SH puts it. However, when one reaches the day's limit, the other options also become unavailable.

Kristaps' argument is unassailable. As long as 'emoticons' (smileys and frowns) are part of TE and as long as people use them, points given one day, or frowns, are not at all different from those given the next in retrospect. The system forces on members an average of 40 points per day, anyway. There is absolutely no reason to suggest this is 'trading' or 'abuse'. It could be argued that when one runs out of emoticons for the day one should simply delay writing any more critiques and leave off until the next day. But in that case I return to my first point: why not make the system inherently logical by restricting the number of critiques to the point where a member's emoticons have run out? Not that I am recommending that kind of arbitrary limit, but it would have some internal logic.

The argument that one often needs much more than 15 minutes to reflect on one's words has not been effectively rebutted. Writing a note later is not an entirely satisfactory way of redressing a poorly worded and possibly offensive critique, refining a translation into another language or adding some technical point that was forgotten; the reason for this is that the critique is the publicly presented response and not everybody reads the notes. Why should one not have the capacity to revise one's public critique? The injudicious wording of critiques has led to the considerable inflammation of passions in other forums recently.

It appears that there is an objection to 'promises' being made, as if they are made in the hope of gaining points in return overnight. I would not disagree with banning promissory statements per se, or statements that 'threaten' frownies.

My guess is that most active members of TE rarely have time to do more than 20 critiques per day and that the so called 'abuse' is hardly a widespread phenomenon. The imposition of this arbitrary 15 minute time limit is ad hoc, arbitrary, illogical and unnecessary.

ChrisJ 02-12-2009 01:42 PM

Re: Uploading new pics
 
Just wondering (like so many others) when I'll be able to post an upload again?

Keitht 02-20-2009 08:00 PM

Re: New tech feature will limit post edit time
 
The action may seem draconian or pointless to some, but as a moderator on other sites I fully support the action. I have seen many instances where an original post has been edited to such an extent that it is unrecognisable. The end result being that replies appear stupid or totally counter to what was intended.
If people take time to compose their thoughts before posting there should rarely be any need to edit a post after it has been committed to the site.

ilghiz 05-26-2009 01:59 PM

Re: New tech feature will limit post edit time
 
I hardly ever edited the critiques I posted
but when I did I usually made a couple of additions.
Most often them were a link to a photo
which I thought was worth comparing with the one I was commenting. It was not necessarily my photo.
Quite often I would link two or three photos
to each other just re-editing my posts.
I could add these links in discussions
but I'd rather have people see them in my critique.


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